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※ 引述《hesenberg (2030美食家 )》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《fw190a (las)》之銘言：

實際談話內容出至北約秘書長Jens Stoltenberg和芬蘭總統Sauli Niinnisto
6月12號的講話內容，以下附上原始連結和翻譯節錄
https://reurl.cc/e3Ad3K
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_196300.htm?selectedLocale=en


JENS STOLTENBERG: So first to the question of whether peace is possible. Yes,
peace is possible.The question is what kind of peace? Because if Ukraine
withdraw its forces and stop fighting, then Ukraine will cease to exist as an
independent, sovereign nation in Europe. If President Putin stops fighting,
then we’ll have peace.


總統普丁停止戰爭，那我們也能迎來和平。

So the dilemma is, of course, that peace is always possible. Surrender can
provide peace. But as we have seen, the Ukrainians, they don’t accept peace
at any price. They are actually willing to pay a very high price for their
independence. And again, Finland is a country that really knows the price for
peace and also the price for independence and being a sovereign nation.


(註:芬蘭在二戰後，與俄羅斯在領土問題上發生過嚴重的衝突)

And it’s not for me to judge how high price the Ukrainians should be willing
to pay.  I mean, we pay a price because we provide support, we see the economic
effects of the economic sanctions. But there is no doubt, as you said Sauli,
that the highest price is paid by Ukrainians every day. And therefore it’s for
them to judge, not for me, what is the price they are willing to pay, for peace
and for independence?



(中略)

is that as President Zelensky has stated many times, this war will end at the
negotiating table. The question is what kind of position will the Ukrainians
have when they negotiate a solution? Our responsibility is to make that
position as strong as possible. We know that there is a very close link between what you can achieve at the negotiating table and your position at the
battlefield. So our military support to them is a way to strengthen their hand
at the negotiating table when they, hopefully soon, will sit there and
negotiate the peace agreement.



So that was ‘peace is possible’ – that’s not the question anyway, the
question is: what price are you willing to pay for peace? How much territory?
How much independence? How much sovereignty? How much freedom? How much
democracy are you willing to sacrifice for peace? And that’s a very difficult
moral dilemma. And it’s for those who are paying the highest price to make
that judgement. Our responsibility is to support them.



(後略)

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