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※ 引述《deann (古美門上身)》之銘言：
: 看到很多人在辯護 F-35什麼保養很貴阿 什麼性能不適合台灣阿 買F-16才是對的阿
: 各種護航言論 我就想到你們是不是跟 蔡英文總統有仇阿 故意打臉蔡總統
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DlZ7DPOqxs
: 蔡英文首度表態!想買F-35匿蹤戰機 川普:會好好考慮
: https://www.storm.mg/article/257706
: 蔡英文首度表態買F-35戰機 軍方評估預算最多買60架
: https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/paper/1127695
: 匿蹤、短場起降 國軍青睞F-35
: 最後的結果是
: https://www.ettoday.net/news/20181128/1318112.htm
: 蔡英文政府放棄購買F-35戰機　改買66架F-16V戰機

想買跟必要的本來就不同，美國人只賣你自我防衛武器，又不是賣你攻擊性武器

: 最後成交價 2500億 買66架F-16V  根本原本評估買F-35的預算差不多 只多買6台
: 簡單來講，台灣很想要F-35 也符合台灣未來的防衛需求 但美國人就是不賣你
: 然後最後賣給你F-16V 竟然賣的價錢 跟你想要的F-35 差不多

你還是先看看 major arm sales notification 清單好了

: 就很像你很想要買 BMW G30 性能比較好 也符合你的需求
: 結果人家說 阿BMW保養很貴阿  你還是去買神A吧 然後賣得價格跟G30差不多的價錢

你這比喻我覺得不太公正

應該是 BMW G30 變成 BMW E90 這樣

沒有差到那麼慘

: 而且 奇怪了 同樣是買F-16V 別人買的價格是14架 400億台幣(11億歐元 換算現在380億)
: https://www.ettoday.net/news/20180712/1211013.htm


小弟我也是只是一介軍盲，只是會看看鄉野奇譚跟會一點谷夫而已



原文都告訴你是 DSCA 負責 FMS 了，你可以上他官網看看啊

斯洛伐克 - F16 Block 70/72 V Configuration Aircraft
http://bit.ly/2Zi6cpQ

DSCA/DoS 開出的價格是 $2.91b, 含飛機/雷達/炸彈, 以飛機來算(雖然很不準)單價是一台 $207m

我不太懂為什麼最後斯洛伐克是用 11 億歐元買的，可能最後打折了吧，$2.91b是estimated而已。



台灣 -  F-16C/D Block 70 Aircraft and Related Equipment and Support
http://bit.ly/30j6Wwg

DSCA/DoS 開出的價格是 $8b, 含飛機/雷達/裝備/各式支援, 以飛機算單價是一台 $121m

沒有盤子的問題啊


這邊有做解釋:
https://www.facebook.com/IDF.Chingkuo/posts/1354586034693414

https://i.imgur.com/m6kXXec.png
(source: https://www.facebook.com/IDF.Chingkuo/photos/pcb.1354586034693414/1354594111359273)


還買比較便宜= =


: 你台灣買66台 數量比較多 還要2507億 等於是 多花人家507億 還少買4台...
: 最後剩下辯護的理由只剩下 至少有買到啦 人家願意賣你已經很好了啦 這種自慰的理由
: 我這樣潑 芒果乾粉冷水 我早已做好被噓爆的準備 但我就是看不下去這些無恥芒果乾粉
: 整天在那邊顛倒是非 說什麼買F-16V 本來就比F-35好的智障言論 還說人家軍盲
: 這樣講起來 之前爭取F-35 我大中華民國國防部 跟 蔡英文總統 都是軍盲豬頭了吧


這包 FMS 總清單還有賣備品噎，斯洛伐克那單沒有

飛機 (66架)
sixty-six (66) F-16C/D Block 70 aircraft

F110 引擎 (75個, 含九個備品)
seventy-five (75) F110 General Electric Engines (includes 9 spares)

以下是配備，可以搭配洛馬DM看 (https://lmt.co/2Z6o3of)

NATO 戰術資訊鏈路
seventy-five (75) Link-16 Systems (includes 9 spares)
seventy-five (75) Improved Programmable Display Generators (iPDG) (includes 9 spares)
seventy-five (75) APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radars (includes 9 spares)
seventy-five (75) Modular Mission Computers 7000AH (includes 9 spares)
seventy-five (75) LN-260 Embedded GPS/INS (includes 9 spares)
seventy-five (75) M61 Vulcan 20mm Guns (includes 9 spares)
one-hundred thirty-eight (138) LAU-129 Multipurpose Launchers
six (6) FMU-139D/B Fuze for Guided Bombs
six (6) FMU-139D/B Inert Fuze for Guided Bombs
six (6) FMU 152 Fuze for Guided Bombs: six (6) MK-82 Filled Inert Bombs for Guided Bombs
three (3) KMU-572 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Tail Kits, GBU-38/54.

外加哩哩摳摳的額外裝備
Also included are seventy-five (75) AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispensers (includes 9 spares)
one-hundred twenty (120) ALE50 towed decoy or equivalent
seventy-five (75) APX-126 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (includes 9 spares)
seventy- five (75) AN/ALQ-211 A(V)4 Airborne Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite (AIDEWS) or equivalent (includes 9 spares)
EW Line Replaceable Unit (LRU) and Standard Electronic Module (SEM) spares
one hundred fifty (150) ARC-238 radios (includes 18 spares)
Secure Communications and Cryptographic Appliques including seventy-three (73) KIV-78 cryptographic COMSEC devices, and ten (10) AN/PYQ-10 Simple Key Loaders (SKLs) for COMSEC
three (3) Joint Mission Planning Systems (JMPS)
seventy (70) NVDs
six (6) NVD spare image intensifier tubes
Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD)
cartridges, chaff, flares
three (3) each DSU-38A/B Precision Laser Guidance Sensor (PLGS) for GBU-54 Laser Joint Direct Attack Munition (LJDAM) integration
PGU-28A/B 20mm ammunition
telemetry units for integration and test
bomb components
twenty (20) ground debriefing stations

技術支援

Electronic Combat International Security Assistance Program (ECISAP) support including EW database and Mission Data File (MDF) development (classified/unclassified)
communications equipment
bomb racks
Organizational, Intermediate and Depot level tooling
Pilot Life Support Equipment (PLSE)
Alternate Mission Equipment (AME)
ground training devices (including flight and maintenance simulators)
containers
development, integration, test and engineering, technical and logistical support of munitions
aircraft ferry
studies and surveys
construction services
U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistical support services and other related elements of logistics, program and sustainment support.




同時，本包 FMS 還是台灣第一次直接用 LoR for LoA，跟其他同盟國一樣的方式提出 FMS。






這單出來之後，台灣成為今年 (2019) 美國 FMS 總額第一名

https://www.forumarmstrade.org/major-arms-sales-notifications-tracker.html


https://i.imgur.com/0PWonYe.png

https://i.imgur.com/zbyt8UX.png

https://i.imgur.com/FWE33I3.png





第一次看到銀行會主動賣給流氓那麼多武器

報警都來不及了QQ

好可怕QQ







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