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作者 標題 [外絮] 湖人應該要退休Kobe的8號還是24號球衣?
時間 Wed Apr 13 14:21:36 2016
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時間:Apr 12, 2016, 10:28am
作者:Yaron Weitzman & Brittany Cheng
Should the Lakers retire Kobe Bryant as number 8 or number 24?
Kobe Bryant starred for a decade wearing a No. 8 jersey, then switched to No.
24 and kept it up. The Lakers have to pick one of these uniforms to retire,
but which should it be?
Kobe的生涯前10年穿著8號球衣成長為一位巨星,接著換成了24號球衣。如果湖人要選一個
號碼退休,那應該要選8還是24呢?
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要退休Kobe的哪件球衣真是個艱難的決定!
With Kobe Bryant's career at its conclusion, it's time to dive headfirst into
the glorious world of basketball nerdom. Most of the impending eulogies are
likely to focus on questions like where Kobe ranks all time and whether he's
the greatest player to ever wear a Lakers uniform. But there's another piece
of business that will need deciding as well: which jersey number should hang
in the rafters?
當Kobe的生涯即將告終,是時候將Kobe這個籃球怪咖生涯的一些榮譽攤開來細數。大多數
的討論都是關於Kobe生涯是前幾佳的球員,或是他是不是湖人史上最好的球員。不過關於
Kobe的哪件球衣要被高掛,則是另一個需要被決定的問題。
的討論都是關於Kobe生涯是前幾佳的球員,或是他是不是湖人史上最好的球員。不過關於
Kobe的哪件球衣要被高掛,則是另一個需要被決定的問題。
Kobe wore No. 8 through the 2006 season, then switched to No. 24 as a homage
to his 24/7 work ethic. General manager Mitch Kupchack has already hinted
that team might cop out and retire both numbers, and it's understandable why.
This isn't like Michael Jordan donning the number 45 for a half-season.
Bryant has worn each number for 10 years, making multiple All-Star teams and
winning championships in both uniforms. The 10-year tenures are remarkably
similar.
在2006年之前Kobe都是穿著8號球衣,之後就換成24號,為了向自己每天24小時一週7天都
對籃球抱持著熱情的努力致敬。湖人GM Mitch Kupchack之前曾經暗示過湖人將可能同時退
休Kobe的兩件球衣,這是可以理解的。不像Jordan只穿著45號球衣半個球季,Kobe的這兩
個號碼都各穿著長達10年,進過數次全明星隊伍,也都有贏過總冠軍的記錄。這兩個號碼
所達成到的榮譽是非常相似的。
對籃球抱持著熱情的努力致敬。湖人GM Mitch Kupchack之前曾經暗示過湖人將可能同時退
休Kobe的兩件球衣,這是可以理解的。不像Jordan只穿著45號球衣半個球季,Kobe的這兩
個號碼都各穿著長達10年,進過數次全明星隊伍,也都有贏過總冠軍的記錄。這兩個號碼
所達成到的榮譽是非常相似的。
But unlike the Lakers, we don't believe in cop outs. Here are the résumés
for each numbers, the cases for and against each and a final decision.
但是不像湖人,我們不太相信真的會兩個號碼都會退休,所以我們整理了一些這兩個號碼
的經歷來參考哪個號碼更有可能被退休。
No. 8 ('96-'06)
8號球衣(1996-2006)
The numbers
個人數據統計
23.9 points per game
45-percent fiel goal shooting
5.1 rebounds per game
4.5 assists per game
1.5 steals per game
2.9 turnovers per game
34 percent three-point shooting
22.2 average PER
The accolades
榮譽統計
3 NBA Titles
4 Western Conference titles
9 playoff appearances
8 All-Star selections
4 time All-NBA first team
2 time All-NBA second team
2 time All-NBA third team
6 All-Defense selections
1 scoring title
1 All-Star Game MVP award
1 time Slam Dunk champion
The case for No. 8
8號球衣正面評價
This decade of basketball contains a complete narrative arc on its own: the
Slam Dunk title that propelled Bryant into the public's conscious, the
dynasty year with Shaquille O'Neal and Phil Jackson, the otherworldly
individual seasons where he carried teams featuring renown talents like Smush
Parker and Slava Medvedenko to the playoffs.
8號球衣的這十年有一個完整故事架構:灌籃大賽的冠軍頭銜讓Kobe的名字開始讓世人知曉
,接著是和O'Neal以及禪師共同建立的湖人三連霸王朝,接著王朝解體,Kobe靠一己之力
獨自帶隊,帶著如Smush Parker和Slava Medvenko之流的球員進入季後賽。
,接著是和O'Neal以及禪師共同建立的湖人三連霸王朝,接著王朝解體,Kobe靠一己之力
獨自帶隊,帶著如Smush Parker和Slava Medvenko之流的球員進入季後賽。
No. 8 won three championships, and it's these teams that are most glorified
and remembered. It wasn't just the wins. It was the 15-1 run through the
playoffs in 2001 and the epic battles and victories over stacked squads like
the Spurs, Blazers and Kings.
8號球衣贏得了三個總冠軍,而且這個時期的湖人隊是最讓人稱道的強。不只是贏球而已,
還在2001年創下季後賽15勝1敗的驚人記錄,以及和一些強隊如馬刺、拓荒者和國王等隊激
烈競爭後最後勝出。
還在2001年創下季後賽15勝1敗的驚人記錄,以及和一些強隊如馬刺、拓荒者和國王等隊激
烈競爭後最後勝出。
The No. 8-Shaq-Phil teams were the type of champions that get books written
and movies made. Kobe wasn't the sole responsible party, but he had a major
hand.
8號與O'Neal及禪師組成的隊伍是那種已經被寫入書中和製作成電影傳頌的程度。這個傳奇
隊伍雖然不是Kobe一人創造的,但他也是主要分子之一。
The case for No. 8 is most compelling because of the ridiculous individual
numbers Kobe put up after O'Neal was dealt to the Heat. He averaged 35.4
points per game in 2006 and dropped 81 one night against the Raptors. No. 8
only missed the playoffs once and only missed 81 games in 10 years. Kobe No.
8 was also a much better and more active defender than No. 24.
8號球衣最受到注目的是,當O'Neal被交易至熱火之後,Kobe在2006球季以每場平均35.4分
以及對暴龍單場81分的誇張數據讓人驚嘆不已。8號球衣十年了只有一次沒打進過季後賽,
也只缺席共81場比賽。而Kobe穿著8號球衣時他也是比24號球衣時更好的防守者。
以及對暴龍單場81分的誇張數據讓人驚嘆不已。8號球衣十年了只有一次沒打進過季後賽,
也只缺席共81場比賽。而Kobe穿著8號球衣時他也是比24號球衣時更好的防守者。
Kobe No. 8 finished his career with Hall of Fame individual numbers to go
along with all that team success. Add in the glorious fro and you have an
even more compelling case.
Kobe的8號球衣已經完成了進名人堂應該有的一些個人數據和團體榮譽,外加一些誇張的記
錄。
The case against No. 8
8號球衣負面評價
For all the good in No. 8's career, there was also plenty of bad, on and off
the court. The battles with Shaq short-circuited the Lakers' dynasty. The
last game of the No. 8 era ended with Kobe pouting in the Game 7 against the
Suns in 2006 while taking just three shot attempts in the second half.
即使8號球衣有這麼多榮譽,它同時也有一堆不好的地方,不管是在場上還是場外。包括與
O'Neal的鬥爭使得王朝解體。8號球衣最終結束在2006季後賽與太陽隊的第7場並落敗,那
場比賽Kobe在下半場只出手了3次。
O'Neal的鬥爭使得王朝解體。8號球衣最終結束在2006季後賽與太陽隊的第7場並落敗,那
場比賽Kobe在下半場只出手了3次。
No. 24 ('06-'16)
24號球衣(2006-2016)
The numbers
個人數據統計
26.2 points per game
44-percent field goal shooting
5.3 rebounds per game
5.0 assists per game
1.3 steals per game
3.1 turnovers per game
32 percent three-point shooting
20.8 PER
The accolades
榮譽統計
2 NBA titles
3 Western Conference titles
10 All-Star game appearances
1 MVP Award
2 finals MVP awards
7 All-NBA first team
6 All-Defense selections
1 scoring title
3 All-Star Game MVP awards
The case for No. 24
24號球衣正面評價
No. 24 captured two titles, and there was no question who The Man was on
those teams. Bryant's athleticism might have started to slip after switching
to No. 24 before the 2006-07 season, but his game remained as effective as
ever. Some would say No. 24 was even more fun to watch. The impeccable
footwork, jab steps, Olajuwon-esque post moves and textbook mid-range jumpers
were basketball porn to those who find the action below the rim more
entertaining.
24號球衣總共贏得兩次總冠軍,同時這時Kobe也是球隊無庸置疑的老大。Kobe的體能狀態
在換成24號後就開始下滑了,不過他的比賽依然很有效率甚至更甚以往。有些人認為24號
時期的Kobe打球觀賞性更高。無可挑剔的腳步,刺探步,Olajuwom式的低位技巧,還有教
科書般的中距離跳投,這些遠比禁區技巧更具娛樂的技能。
在換成24號後就開始下滑了,不過他的比賽依然很有效率甚至更甚以往。有些人認為24號
時期的Kobe打球觀賞性更高。無可挑剔的腳步,刺探步,Olajuwom式的低位技巧,還有教
科書般的中距離跳投,這些遠比禁區技巧更具娛樂的技能。
No. 24 was named First Team All-NBA an incredible seven times. He was also
just a few bounces away from matching No. 8's three-peat.
24號被選為NBA第一隊高達7次之多。而和8號時期的三連霸相比也只差一步之遙。
All in all, Bryant was just more a fun basketball player and person to watch
when wearing No. 24, at least until the injuries hit towards the end of his
career.
總而言之,Kobe在穿24號球衣時是個更有趣的球員,可看性也更高,除了在他生涯末期受
傷後才再也回不去了。
The case against No. 24
24號球衣負面評價
No. 24 didn't get off to a great start. After the Lakers were knocked out in
the first round of the playoffs in 2007, Kobe went on Stephen A. Smith's
radio show and said he wanted to be traded. The Lakers were open to the
possibility, too. If not for the serendipitous Pau Gasol trade, who knows how
Kobe's late career would have played out?
24號並沒有延續8號的偉大。在湖人2007年季後賽一輪遊之後,Kobe跑到Stephen A.Smith
的節目說他想要被交易。湖人也沒有排斥這個選項。如果不是Pau Gasol命運般的交易,誰
知道Kobe之後的生涯還會這麼亮眼嗎?
的節目說他想要被交易。湖人也沒有排斥這個選項。如果不是Pau Gasol命運般的交易,誰
知道Kobe之後的生涯還會這麼亮眼嗎?
But the primary case against No. 24 is everything that's gone on in Lakerland
over the past three years. Kobe has looked like a shell of himself since a
torn Achilles to end the 2012-13 season. Before that, he clashed with Dwight
Howard and may have sabotaged numerous other Lakers free agent pursuits,
according to reports.
不過對於24號最主要的批評還是來自於湖人在最近三個球季來的一敗塗地。自從Kobe的阿
基里斯腱在2012-13球季受傷之後,他看起來就像個只是空有Kobe外表的空殼了。而在這之
前,Kobe和Dwight Howard發生了衝突,且破壞了許多湖人追求自由球員的計畫。
基里斯腱在2012-13球季受傷之後,他看起來就像個只是空有Kobe外表的空殼了。而在這之
前,Kobe和Dwight Howard發生了衝突,且破壞了許多湖人追求自由球員的計畫。
When he managed to make it on the court, Kobe has statistically been one of
the worst players in the league over the past three seasons. That, plus his
and insistence on being the No. 1 option despite his eroding skills, has
dragged the Lakers into the gutter and transformed them into the West's
version of the Knicks.
而當Kobe設法讓自己可以繼續留在賽場上時,統計數據也顯示Kobe是過去三年來聯盟中最
差勁的球員之一。再加上不管Kobe退化的如何嚴重,他始終是湖人隊場上進攻的第一選擇
,使得湖人從傳統強權墮落成西區尼克般年年衝擊樂透區。
差勁的球員之一。再加上不管Kobe退化的如何嚴重,他始終是湖人隊場上進攻的第一選擇
,使得湖人從傳統強權墮落成西區尼克般年年衝擊樂透區。
Ruling
裁決
This is a tough one and could go either way, but the Lakers should retire
Bryant's No. 8. That's the number that was on his uniform when he turned into
Kobe, the player known by the world for his unique style, flare and
personality. The years as No, 24 were great, but No. 8 is the uniform that
set the foundation and started Bryant on the journey of becoming a
transcendent star.
這是一個困難的抉擇,不過我們認為湖人應該退休Kobe的8號球衣。8號是Kobe之所以成為
Kobe的關鍵時期,也是他獨特風格知名於整個世界的時期。24號時期也是很棒沒錯,但是
8號球衣是Kobe成為一個超級球星最重要的時期。
Kobe的關鍵時期,也是他獨特風格知名於整個世界的時期。24號時期也是很棒沒錯,但是
8號球衣是Kobe成為一個超級球星最重要的時期。
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明天就是Kobe NBA生涯最後一場比賽了,本科酸想到也覺得感傷,
雖然平常酸酸Kobe,不過不能否認Kobe是一代超級巨星,
沒辦法做什麼,就翻譯一篇討論Kobe 8號&24號哪個比較該被退休的文章,
只能二選一的話,我個人也是支持退8號啦,
畢竟24號最後三年可以說是他生涯最大污點也不為過。
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→ : 退休三件8號不就好了1F 04/13 14:22
噓 : 都是綠葉號碼 何必?2F 04/13 14:22
推 : 全都要!3F 04/13 14:24
推 : 8號雜魚感很重4F 04/13 14:24
噓 : 一起退休不會膩5F 04/13 14:24
→ : 不然湖人退24號,金塊退8號6F 04/13 14:25
→ : 分兩次退,炒兩次話題,加上銅像三次,選我正解7F 04/13 14:25
推 : 退休球衣就寫8+8+88F 04/13 14:26
推 : 退 都退 都一起退9F 04/13 14:26
推 : 湖人應該會兩個都退休10F 04/13 14:27
→ : 24號好了 如果一次退兩件,說不定有的老球員會不開11F 04/13 14:27
→ : 心
→ : 心
→ : 24=23+1 當然退24號13F 04/13 14:28
推 : 都退吧 不退也沒新人敢穿14F 04/13 14:29
推 : 一哥二冠是:24號,副手三冠81分:8號15F 04/13 14:29
噓 : 史上最強運綠葉 8 史上最過捧腦太 2416F 04/13 14:30
推 : 24吧,之前是抱腿時期17F 04/13 14:31
推 : 退休32號18F 04/13 14:32
→ : 退休81號19F 04/13 14:32
推 : 退32號不會嗎20F 04/13 14:32
推 : 24+8 退32號 省事多了21F 04/13 14:33
推 : 都退啊 把8號先縫在Shaq的球褲上 再掛上去22F 04/13 14:33
推 : 823F 04/13 14:34
推 : 一件掛L.A. 一件掛丹佛 ,不就好了!?24F 04/13 14:35
推 : 都會退休25F 04/13 14:35
推 : 退824號啊!26F 04/13 14:35
推 : 高掛手銬27F 04/13 14:36
推 : 24 本來就該退最後穿的28F 04/13 14:36
推 : 8號好惹29F 04/13 14:36
推 : 生涯最大污點明明就是在8號時期30F 04/13 14:36
推 : 應該都會退吧~31F 04/13 14:36
推 : 退81號阿32F 04/13 14:37
推 : 24阿33F 04/13 14:37
推 : 唯一支持KB834F 04/13 14:37
推 : 我覺得都會退休 只退一件的話 我猜是835F 04/13 14:37
推 : 縫在Shaq的球褲上..XD 那24號不就是Gasol的球褲36F 04/13 14:37
→ : 推文沒有81的話37F 04/13 14:38
推 : 8號有上過法院而且是歐肥小弟 退24號吧頂多mvp小倫38F 04/13 14:38
推 : 結論 8號縫在大歐的球褲 24號縫在賈索球衣 在掛上39F 04/13 14:39
推 : 說真的只退一件 另一件也沒人敢穿40F 04/13 14:39
→ : 最後再用手銬把這兩件球衣靠起來41F 04/13 14:39
推 : 5 81 24 10542F 04/13 14:41
→ : 8號43F 04/13 14:41
推 : 退休橘色還是退休紫金 囚犯兩難44F 04/13 14:42
→ : 應該是兩件都退45F 04/13 14:42
推 : 推happypg 只退一件也沒人敢穿另一件 Kobe在湖人隊46F 04/13 14:42
→ : 史地位排的到前三的人 大概沒人這麼有膽去穿XD
→ : 史地位排的到前三的人 大概沒人這麼有膽去穿XD
→ : 一定都退的啊 不退的話也沒人敢穿48F 04/13 14:43
噓 : 扒衣精神49F 04/13 14:44
推 : 好感傷阿...酸了他這麼久 其實心中真的知道他的強50F 04/13 14:45
推 : 8號的Kobe讓我恨得牙癢癢(國王與活塞迷,但那是起51F 04/13 14:46
→ : 點,可是24號才是巔峰吧
→ : 點,可是24號才是巔峰吧
推 : 2453F 04/13 14:47
推 : 退休824不就好了54F 04/13 14:51
推 : Ko8e2455F 04/13 14:52
推 : 小飛俠、黑曼巴 都幾?56F 04/13 14:52
推 : 2457F 04/13 14:54
→ : 退休8號跟8*3就好啦58F 04/13 14:55
推 : 不管退哪一件 別人在湖人都不敢選那兩號啦59F 04/13 14:56
→ : 一起退就好啦,只能二選一我選24,是24號的那兩冠成60F 04/13 14:58
→ : 就了Kobe的傳奇地位
→ : 就了Kobe的傳奇地位
推 : 跟老大一起奪冠過的隊友的球衣號全部都退,才有誠意62F 04/13 15:00
推 : 應該退24 8號是成為巨星 但24是成為傳奇63F 04/13 15:01
→ : 24號 衣服旁邊要掛一塊鐵64F 04/13 15:03
推 : 3>2 雖然不是迷迷但覺得8號的意義更大65F 04/13 15:04
→ : 兩個都退66F 04/13 15:10
推 : 只能退一個真的很難選,但老大退休穿24應該就退24吧67F 04/13 15:13
推 : (24+8)/ 2=16 退16號吧68F 04/13 15:15
推 : 別爭了,10569F 04/13 15:15
推 : 要用鐵鑄造這兩件 掛在球館70F 04/13 15:15
推 : 8+24=3271F 04/13 15:17
推 : 退24,但日後有穿8的在主場和丹佛不能上場72F 04/13 15:27
推 : 兩件都退73F 04/13 15:29
推 : 5 81 105 8 24五件一起退74F 04/13 15:34
推 : 看來兩派意見都有,兩個時期的老大魅力一樣高75F 04/13 15:37
推 : 都退 老大就是帥76F 04/13 15:37
噓 : 最後三年生涯最大汙點?你怎不說喬神最後一年也是生77F 04/13 15:44
→ : 涯最大汙點
→ : 涯最大汙點
推 : 取平均退16號79F 04/13 15:49
→ : MJ最後一年20/6/3.8/1.5/0.5,你確定要和老大比?80F 04/13 15:50
※ 編輯: roger29 (220.132.145.238), 04/13/2016 15:55:32推 : 贊成湖人退24號,金快退8號81F 04/13 15:56
推 : 8號縫在shaq的球褲上 XD82F 04/13 15:59
※ 編輯: roger29 (220.132.145.238), 04/13/2016 16:07:08→ : 退幾號都無所謂 因為沒人敢再穿另外一個號碼了83F 04/13 16:10
→ : 8號到24號都退以表敬意84F 04/13 16:14
推 : 退8寶寶85F 04/13 16:15
推 : 有8才有2486F 04/13 16:16
推 : 最後三年Kobe又沒上多少場次....這也能是污點阿87F 04/13 16:18
→ : 24號吧,創下湖人季賽陣亡最多次數的一哥,徹底脫離888F 04/13 16:19
→ : 號副手宿命.
→ : 號副手宿命.
推 : 退一件 留一件當傳承給二代老大 選我正解90F 04/13 16:22
推 : 都退吧 不然誰敢穿8or24!?91F 04/13 16:25
推 : Dlo也許92F 04/13 16:30
推 : 兩個號碼繡在一件上吧93F 04/13 16:33
推 : 都退+1,不退也沒人敢選~94F 04/13 16:34
推 : 明天勇士73勝+Kobe破40分 NBA版會紫爆嗎?95F 04/13 16:36
推 : 當然選在丹佛赫赫有名的8號囚衣啊96F 04/13 16:39
推 : 西區尼克97F 04/13 16:44
→ : 24吧 經歷幾年低潮再重回巔峰拿二連霸 太傳奇了98F 04/13 16:58
推 : 8號縫在Shaq的球褲上 肚子好痛XDDD 也太靠悲了99F 04/13 17:06
推 : 退 都退100F 04/13 17:06
推 : 24,不然105或581也不錯,反正8要繡在別人褲子上101F 04/13 17:08
推 : 推一芣102F 04/13 17:09
推 : both103F 04/13 17:28
推 : 不管退哪個 另一個也沒人敢穿了吧104F 04/13 17:30
推 : 退24 現在小孩只記得24105F 04/13 17:41
→ : 24106F 04/13 18:03
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