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作者 kyle5241 (Kyle Korver)
標題 [外絮] 偉大是湖人天賦二人組跟歐布唯一的交集
時間 Sun Oct  4 15:45:29 2020


Column: Greatness is only thing Lakers’ talented twosome shares with Shaq
and Kobe

專欄:偉大是湖人天賦二人組跟歐布唯一的交集

In the wake of the Lakers’ NBA Finals domination, it has become trendy to
link the tandem of LeBron James and Anthony Davis to their celebrated
predecessors Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal.

在湖人的決賽統治下,把姆斯和AD這個雙人組和他們有名的前雙人組布萊恩和俠客做連結
變成了一種趨勢

Don’t.
不要

Don’t compare them, don’t align them, and certainly don’t romanticize
their connection.
不要比較他們,不要並列他們,不要把他們的連結浪漫化

The one and obvious similarity between the twosomes is that they both
combined to lead the Lakers to greatness. Yet in every other way they are
polar opposites, conducting their relationships in styles as different as AD’
s sweet smile and Shaq’s sweaty scowl.

在兩個雙人組間唯一相似的地方是他們都把湖人帶向了偉大,但在其它們方面他們幾乎是
完全相反,這雙人組彼此間的關係就像是AD甜美的笑容和俠客流汗的皺眉一樣不同

LeBron and AD are a dynamic duo. Kobe and Shaq were a dynamic duel.

姆斯和AD是有活力的二重唱,Kobe和俠客則是有活力的鬥爭

LeBron and AD are tight. Kobe and Shaq were taut.

姆斯和AD很緊密, 但Kobe和俠客關係緊張

LeBron and AD genuinely like each other. Kobe and Shaq genuinely did not.

姆斯和AD真實的喜歡對方,Kobe和俠客真實的不喜歡

The comparisons between the two pairings came into colorful focus Friday
night when, during the Lakers’ 124-114 victory over the Miami Heat in Game
2, LeBron and AD became the first Lakers pair to score at least 30 points
apiece in an NBA Finals game since Kobe and Shaq did it in 2002.

當姆斯和AD成為歐布在2002之後第一個同時在總冠軍得到30分的雙人組,這兩個雙人組之
間的比較成了焦點

The synergy was striking. The history was undeniable. Even the players
themselves were in awe of this glorious association.

這樣的協同作用是令人注目的,歷史是無法否認的,甚至連球員本身也對於這樣光榮的連
結感到敬畏

“I can’t even believe I’m up here talking about myself and AD with Kobe
and Shaq,” James said in a rare moment of wonderment.

在少數驚奇的時刻,姆斯說:"我無法相信我在這裡一起談論我自己和AD跟俠客和Kobe"

As one who covered that last Kobe-and-Shaq Finals barrage against the New
Jersey Nets in 2002, I couldn’t believe it either. That long-ago game was
nothing like the shared greatness of Friday night.

當有人提到上次在2002 Kobe和俠客的得分雨的時候,我也無法相信。這個很久以前的比
賽跟週五晚上分享的偉大完全不同。

In a three-point Game 3 victory in 2002, Bryant made two big shots in the
final minutes and then walked off the court flexing his biceps in an
imitation of O’Neal’s trademark move. He had outscored Shaq by exactly one
point — 36-35 — and everybody knew exactly what he meant with the move.

在2002年湖人3分差的勝利中,布萊恩在最後時間連中兩個投籃,之後模仿俠客著名的動
作,彎曲他的二頭肌,走離球場。他剛好得分比俠客多了一分,36分對35分,而大家都知
道kobe做這個動作要表達的意思


“Subconsciously, yeah,” teammate Brian Shaw said at the time. “That’s the
way it always is.”

"潛意識的"Brian Shaw那時候說:"這總是這樣"

Fast-forward to Friday night, when LeBron scored 33, AD added 32 and they
both seemed sincerely happy for each other. A midgame argument ended in a
postgame hug, with James whispering to Davis through a towel to hide his
words.

來到禮拜五晚上,當姆斯拿到33分,AD拿到32分,他們兩個看起來都很真誠的為對方高興
。比賽中間的爭論變成了賽後的擁抱,姆斯在毛巾後偷偷的對AD講話不讓其他人看到他講
什麼。


“We are two guys who want to win no matter the circumstance. We both want to
make sure that we do whatever it takes to help our team win,” Davis said. “
When you have two guys that are selfless ... it’s rare you see it. We know
we have something special with us two and this team.”

戴維斯說:"我們兩個在任何情況下都想要贏,我們都想要確認為了幫助球隊獲勝,我們
可以做任何事。當你有兩個無私的人,這很罕見。我知道我們兩個和這個球隊之間有很特
別的事"


It is, indeed, rare to find two superstars who wait for each other during
postgame interviews to walk back to the locker room together amid nudges and
quips. That’s how LeBron and AD roll, jokingly playing off each other in
ways that they’ve said remind them of the characters in the movie “Step
Brothers.”

的確,我們很少看到兩個超級球星,在賽後訪問的時候等著對方,然後一起走回休息室,
彼此間互相碰撞和嘲弄。這是姆斯和AD運作的方式,彼此玩弄,像電影Step brothers一


Meanwhile, Kobe once called Shaq “fat and out of shape” while Shaq once
wrote and performed a rap in which he explicitly told Kobe to kiss his butt.

另外一方面,Kobe曾經說俠客胖到爆,而俠客寫了並唱了一首rap來叫kobe去親他的屁屁

It is also rare to find two superstars who empower each other on the court

like LeBron and AD, both of them equally enhancing and unselfish. Sometimes
it seems like they’re playing a two-man game, sharing the ball, sharing the
defensive coverage, heartwarmingly sharing the glory.

我們也很少見到兩個球星會像姆斯和AD一樣在場上互相加強。有時候他們看起來在打兩人
的比賽,彼此分享球,分享防守的範圍,分享榮耀

Meanwhile, Kobe and Shaq facilitated the Lakers’ loss to the Detroit Pistons
in the 2004 NBA Finals because they could barely stomach passing each other
the ball.

另外一方面,Kobe和俠客加速了2004年湖人輸給活塞的速度,因為他們無法忍受把球給對


James and Davis have become so close, there is zero chance Davis leaves town
this coming winter as a free agent, and a decent chance both men can stay
motivated enough to equal Kobe and Shaq’s three championships together.

姆斯和AD是如此的親近,在接下來的自由市場,AD不可能會離開,他們很有可能想要追平
歐布的三冠

Meanwhile, Kobe and Shaq could have won six championships if they wouldn’t
have essentially forced owner Jerry Buss to make a choice. Buss chose Kobe,
and Shaq was sent to Miami. Only years later did they forge a civil
relationship that culminated in O’Neal’s touching eulogy this year at Kobe’
s memorial service.

另外一方向,Kobe和俠客或許有辦法贏得六個冠軍,如果他們不逼老闆Jerry Buss做出選
擇的話。

The Lakers relationship between Kobe and Shaq was filled with many memorable
triumphs but also so much angst that the feuding eventually overshadowed the
fun.

Kobe和俠客的關係充滿了許多值得回憶的記憶,但太多的不安導致最後爭執蓋過了樂趣

The Lakers relationship between LeBron and AD, while still new, has felt so
much healthier even from the start. For example, when newly acquired AD
attended James’ players-only camp last fall in Las Vegas, despite being a
superstar in his own right, he kept his mouth shut.

姆斯和AD的關係,雖然還很新,感覺起來一開始卻健康多了。舉個例子,但新加入的AD參
加姆斯在Vegas的純球員訓練營,僅管他自己是個超級球星,他卻沒有說任何一句話。

“I just tried to follow his lead,” AD said of LeBron in a conversation with
The Times’ Tania Ganguli.

AD說:"我試著遵遁他的引導"

At the same time, James immediately let it be known that he was willing to
defer.

在同一時刻,姆斯馬上讓大家知道他願意順從

“If we’re not playing through Anthony Davis while he’s on the floor, then
it makes no sense to have him on the floor,” James said. “Because he’s
that great.”

姆斯說:"如果當AD在場上的時候不利用AD來發動,那沒有把AD擺在場上的理由,因為他
是如此的棒!"

The dynamic was clear. With three rings, LeBron was secure enough to share.
With no rings, AD was hungry enough to listen.

這運作很清楚。姆斯,有了三個戒指,可以安全地分享。AD, 沒有戒指,則是飢渴的想要
聽從。

The relationship between Kobe and Shaq never enjoyed that built-in advantage.
Shaq was an insecure veteran who had never won a title. Kobe was a brash kid
who thought he could win that title on his own. They were an emotional
accident waiting to happen. Their friendship was ultimately doomed by, among
other things, a dangerous trait that belonged to Shaq, a trait that is
noticeably missing from the LeBron and AD equation.

Kobe和俠客的關係從來沒有這樣內建的優勢。俠客是一個沒有安全感的老兵,從來沒有拿
到冠軍。Kobe,一個無禮的孩子認為他自己可以拿到冠軍。他們是一場即將發生的情感意
外,他們的友誼最後被俠客這個危險的特點給毀滅,但這個特點卻不存在姆斯和AD之間


“We’re not jealous of each other,” LeBron said in reference to a question
about the flourishing of his relationship with AD. “I think that’s the best
thing in professional sports — you have guys that join forces to become
alpha males.”

談到他跟AD的關係,姆斯說:"我們彼此間不嫉妒,這是在職業運動中最棒的"

He added: “I think jealousy creeps in a lot. And that is the absolute

contrary of what we are.”

他繼續說:"通常嫉妒會偷偷的產生,但這絕對不會出現在我們之間"

It shows in LeBron’s constant looks for the open AD, in AD continually
following the energetic lead of LeBron, even to the point of AD always doing
his postgame interviews after LeBron.

這可以體現在姆斯在場上總是找AD什麼時候有空檔,而AD總是遵循著姆斯,甚至他的賽後
訪問總是排在姆斯的後面。

As they sit two wins from their first NBA title together, the current Lakers
duo might never match the wondrous and enduring era of Kobe and Shaq.

But enjoy this new ride and feel free to celebrate the difference.

心得:
https://tinyurl.com/y3jtrn7s
Dwyane Wade agrees that Anthony Davis complements LeBron James better than he
did

偉德同意戴維斯比他更能互補姆斯


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※ 編輯: kyle5241 (114.43.78.79 臺灣), 10/04/2020 15:47:53
takechance  : 歐布是紫金血統,跟現在雜血軍團是不同的1F 10/04 15:46
randykaku   : 一個三連霸 一個正要挑戰第一冠 真的太早2F 10/04 15:47
SA8699      : 奪冠再來說像不像3F 10/04 15:47
sorryla     : ??? 大歐的球衣可以組成彩虹了,紫金血統?4F 10/04 15:47
Arigatosam  : 歐不純 賈不純5F 10/04 15:47
skypeoss    : 大歐一開始不是在魔術隊嗎@@ 哪裡純6F 10/04 15:49
jun680825   : 歐的血統哪裡純了7F 10/04 15:50
Rejust      : 大歐一開始是魔術的....8F 10/04 15:50
hiyuy       : 把KOBE放進來 是在羞辱其他人...9F 10/04 15:50
hiyuy       : 是我就翻臉
CjackC      : 還沒奪冠說啥11F 10/04 15:51
TimmyJiang  : 湖人隊史的奪冠禁區長人不都人家養的嗎12F 10/04 15:51
earldunn    : ?13F 10/04 15:51
qwerty110   : 二連霸再叫我  這組是夠資格跟OK比較了嗎?14F 10/04 15:53
cp3bg32     : 一定三連霸 已經三連霸15F 10/04 15:53
kikooo      : 小菜雞嗆人雜血 沒看過大歐穿魔術球衣?16F 10/04 15:57
kevinacc084 :  真的是太早17F 10/04 15:58
kutkin      : 俠客自己就超雜了...18F 10/04 16:01
kaorikawai  : https://imgur.com/ScQL3HX 紫金血統  OK19F 10/04 16:02
[圖]
erosha      : 互相碰撞 彼此玩弄20F 10/04 16:02
farmer      : 賈霸魔術強森21F 10/04 16:07
aa01081008tw: 大歐在魔術就很猛了..誰在跟你紫金血統XD22F 10/04 16:08
FragrantJo  : 大歐具備紫金血統這件事,還滿值得玩味的。首先他23F 10/04 16:09
FragrantJo  : 不在湖人出道,生涯待過的球隊也高達6支,但他19年
FragrantJo  : 生涯有8年在湖人,其他最長的也就是生涯初期在魔術
FragrantJo  : 的4年,只有在湖人時期的一半長。而且他生涯最顛峰
FragrantJo  : 的時間都在湖人度過,所有要說最能代表大歐的球隊,
FragrantJo  : 應該可以說是湖人沒問題。
stocktonty  : 開始期待三連霸了XDDDD29F 10/04 16:09
drcula      : 老大和俠客如果合得來,老大要挑戰MJ的六冠真的可能30F 10/04 16:09
drcula      : 但是就沒有這種但是了,性格的問題
FragrantJo  : 就像談到半神最具代表性的會是暴龍一樣,講到大歐大32F 10/04 16:10
FragrantJo  : 部分也會說是湖人吧
s880303     : 太早啦 至少先連霸一次34F 10/04 16:11
Redbeansauce: 上面那張圖太屌35F 10/04 16:11
dannyshan   : 不要說大歐往自己臉上貼紫金 湖人也想往大歐臉上貼36F 10/04 16:13
dannyshan   : 紫金吧 不然幹嘛幫他弄雕像
nimaj       : 姆斯和AD 與其說是歐布38F 10/04 16:16
nimaj       : 不如說是肌肉版penny + 纖細版歐瘦
FragrantJo  : 就看你怎麼定義血統歸屬啊,大歐生涯有42%的時間在40F 10/04 16:18
FragrantJo  : 湖人,巔峰時期大部分時間也都在湖人啊
takechance  : 歐布的球衣被湖人退休掛在球館上方,紫金血統認證42F 10/04 16:20
CornyDragon : 所以屌在照樣連霸 球員夠猛 化學效應都可隨便43F 10/04 16:21
patrickc    : 紫金血統....笑  沒有歐肥湖人就直接少三冠44F 10/04 16:24
patrickc    : 那賈霸歐肥都買來的是不是也沒有紫金血統
patrickc    : 只要能奪冠就都有紫金血統啦 沒奪冠就是雜血
FormulaKing : 純血中鋒只有麥肯吧?47F 10/04 16:27
kaodio      : 不合可以三連霸 想學的可以試看看啊XD48F 10/04 16:30
HowieH      : 歐布三連霸欸 太早了吧...49F 10/04 16:35
TimmyJiang  : 說到麥肯也是有點慘,幫湖人拿到的一堆冠軍算在16冠50F 10/04 16:38
TimmyJiang  : 裡,但是退休球衣又變成「那時候湖人還不在洛杉磯」
sd09090     : LD組和OK組不相上下52F 10/04 16:40
TimmyJiang  : 所以沒退休他的99號53F 10/04 16:40
LADKUO56    : 喇叭跟AD比較像Magic跟賈霸吧54F 10/04 16:45
firemm444   : 太雲了吧 還在凹是在講退休球衣55F 10/04 16:47
Mei5566     : 歐肥真厲害56F 10/04 17:00
edman008ptt : 四連霸應該沒問題57F 10/04 17:03
TohnoShiki  : 當時歐肥團隊要大長約,湖人管理層最後留布棄歐58F 10/04 17:11
FragrantJo  : 現在的雙人組叫LA連線才對吧LD聽起來很路人哈哈哈59F 10/04 17:19
qq0526      : 真實喜歡對方 偉德快氣死了吧60F 10/04 17:30

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